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    CPG Due Diligence: The Operator Framework Behind a $1B Exit | Keith Levy Part 1

    23/04/2026 | 53 min
    Keith Levy, Operating Partner at Sonoma Brands Capital
    Keith Levy backed an exit of just under $1B  and a $400M exit using the same five-pillar framework, and he starts with the founder every time. Finance comes last.
    As Operating Partner at Sonoma Brands Capital, Keith has spent six years evaluating consumer brands across food, beverage, pet food, snacks, and cosmetics. Before that he was CMO at Anheuser-Busch through the $52B InBev deal, president of Royal Canin USA for Mars, and the strategic acquirer who led the Kind acquisition at Mars Wrigley. He knows what the data room doesn't show you, and this conversation is built around that gap.
    The first of two episodes covers the full five-pillar CPG diligence framework and the Touchland and Boon's case studies. The second episode, out the following week, covers CPG brand lifecycle, exit positioning, and capital allocation. 
     What You'll Learn
    Why the founder evaluation comes before the financials.
    How to read product-market fit the way an operator does, not a financial analyst.
    What a credible go-to-market strategy looks like vs. one that crashes in execution.
    Why supply chain control is now a diligence requirement, not an afterthought.
    How to get the right operators inside a strategic acquirer interested before a banker calls.
    The Touchland case study: under $1B exit in less than two years
    The Bachan's Japanese BBQ sauce case study: ($400M) exit with McCormick at the table.
    Episode Chapters
    [00:00:00] Intro
    [00:02:02] Keith's background overview (24 years at AB, $52B InBev deal – narrated)
    [00:05:40] Running Royal Canin and joining Mars / Mars Wrigley
    [00:08:45] Why Mars acquired Kind
    [00:09:15] What is Sonoma Brands and how Keith got there
    [00:10:17] The Budweiser CMO era & favorite ads
    [00:15:12] The Mars / Wrigley China integration
    [00:23:15] How Sonoma Brands evolved from venture to growth equity
    [00:25:11] Why deals don't work and what Sonoma changed
    [00:27:12] The Keith Levy CPG diligence framework
    [00:30:04] How to evaluate a founder
    [00:35:40] What product‑market fit actually looks like
    [00:38:32]  Touchland: under $1B exit in two years
    [00:39:05] Go‑to‑market: sequencing channels & steady growth
    [00:41:10] Why TAM is just a sniff test
    [00:43:31] Why how you make the product matters more than you think
    [00:47:08] The real value an operating partner brings
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    Already a member? The bonus conversation with Keith is live now: boards, earnouts, and the hardest lessons from six years backing consumer brands, exclusively for M&A Science members.
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    400 Acquisitions and a Failed Process: What Happens When You Don't Integrate

    16/04/2026 | 58 min
    Matt James, EVP, CFO & Chief Acquisition Officer at Oakbridge Insurance
    Roll-up platforms that skipped real integration are getting exposed when they go to market. Buyers want proof of organic growth, clean data, and a platform that actually functions as one. A lot of processes are breaking down because those proof points aren't there.
    Matt James co-founded Oakbridge Insurance in 2020 and has since closed 60+ acquisitions, integrating 100% from day of close. This conversation covers how he built that system, what went wrong with billion-dollar competitors, and what he would fix first if he walked into a revenue-aggregating roll-up right now.
     What You'll Learn
    Why multiple arbitrage is gone, and what buyers are scrutinizing instead
    How Oakbridge evaluates cultural fit before any financial criteria
    What a failed billion-dollar roll-up sale process looks like from the inside
    Building integration continuity from LOI through 90 days post-close
    How distributed equity drives buy-in across an acquired organization 

    If you're evaluating targets and want to know if they're integration-ready pre-LOI, the Intelligence Hub can help you score cultural fit, data readiness, and technology maturity. Join the professional membership at  mascience.com/membership.
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    Episode Chapters
    [00:03:00]  Introduction & Matt's Background
    [00:05:00] How Buyer Diligence Has Shifted
    [00:06:00] Organic vs. Inorganic Growth and Why It Matters
    [00:11:00] The Four-Criteria Deal Evaluation Framework
    [00:14:00] Validating Cultural Fit Before LOI
    [00:17:00] Deal Structure: Equity, Earnouts, and Alignment
    [00:20:00] What Billion-Dollar Platforms Got Wrong
    [00:26:00]Building the Integration System at Oakbridge
    [00:31:00] Bridging Diligence and Integration
    [00:38:00] Data Infrastructure: Databricks, Power BI, and Why It's Worth It
    [00:45:00] Building Proprietary Deal Flow
    [00:52:00] First Moves When Integration Is Broken
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    M&A Roll-Up Playbook: The IRR Framework That Replaced Budgets at Zayo | Dan Caruso (Part 2)

    09/04/2026 | 1 h 5 min
    Dan Caruso, Managing Director, Caruso Ventures; Founding CEO of Zayo Group
    This is Part 2 of our conversation with Dan Caruso, founder and former CEO of Zayo Group. Be sure to start with Part 1. It covers the Zayo thesis, deal sourcing, structure, and the negotiation playbook, whereas this episode picks up at the execution.
    Part 2 is about the equity value-creation framework Dan built at Zayo, applying the same IRR math PE firms use for their portfolio companies to daily operating decisions. It replaced budgets and tied every compensation decision to a single equation. It ends with the exit and how Dan put together a competing bid after a buyer consortium locked up the debt market.
    What You'll Learn
    How Zayo's integration process matured across 45 deals +  where it broke post- IPO
    The equity value creation model: the IRR metric that replaced budgets and tied compensation to a single equation
    Negotiation tactics: countering lower, manufacturing urgency, and splitting the CEO from their investor at the table
    Culture during integration: one culture, take it or leave it
    IRR compression as a sell signal and how Dan acted on it before most saw it coming
    The sell process: engineering a competing bid after buyers locked up the debt market
    The ICG deal: $8.7M in, $250M out, 18 months
    Want to apply Dan's framework to your own business? The Intelligence Hub has the Equity Value Creation Operating Model, a step-by-step guide to replacing budget-based management with IRR as your operating compass. Access here. 
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    Episode Chapters
    [00:02:28] Public company vs. private: what changed about deal execution.
    [00:03:40] Negotiation tactics: countering lower, manufacturing urgency, the CEO-investor wedge. 
    [00:08:15] Integration maturity: how execution evolved across 45+ deals.
    [00:18:43] Culture: join us or don't. 
    [00:20:35] Going public: super voting shares, activist investors, and the PR game Dan skipped. 
    [00:24:40] Post-IPO talent drain and what Dan would restructure in management equity. 
    [00:29:26] When to sell: reading value compression. 
    [00:33:03] The sell process: competing bid against a cornered debt market.
    [00:39:18] The equity value creation model: replacing budgets with IRR.
    [00:43:29] IRR as a real-time operating metric. 
    [00:49:50] Cruso Ventures, quantum, space, and Boulder Roots Music Fest.
    [01:01:06] The ICG deal: $8.7M in, $250M out
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    M&A Roll-Up Playbook: How Zayo Did 45 Acquisitions and Sold for $14B | Dan Caruso (Part 1)

    02/04/2026 | 1 h 7 min
    Dan Caruso, Managing Director, Caruso Ventures; Founding CEO of Zayo Group
    Dan Caruso built Zayo from a startup into a $14B+ bandwidth infrastructure platform through 45 acquisitions. In Part 1, he walks through the full buyer-led playbook: how the thesis was built on a contrarian bet that everyone else got wrong, how proprietary deals were sourced through early relationship-building, and why fast integration wasn't a reputation problem — it was a competitive advantage. 
    He also breaks down the metric trap most roll-up operators fall into: mistaking EBITDA growth for true value creation. If your board is tracking acquisitions individually or your deal structure is loaded with earnouts, this conversation will challenge how you're running the program.
    What you'll learn:
    How to identify and build a contrarian acquisition thesis with investor alignment
    Why proprietary deal flow is a brand and relationship problem, not a sourcing problem
    How Zayo executed an unsolicited, fully funded offer on a larger public company — and won
    Why tracking individual acquisitions kills synergies in a roll-up
    When earnouts hurt more than they help — and what to use instead
    How clean, all-cash offers win on certainty, not price
    Dan's approach to thesis validation, investor alignment, and platform value creation is documented in the Roll-Up Readiness Assessment inside the Intelligence Hub, a stage-gated guide built directly from this conversation. Access inside the Intelligence Hub — → Access inside the M&A Science Hub — members only.
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    Episode Chapters
    [00:02:00] Introduction: Dan Caruso and the Zayo Story
    [00:03:51] Background: From Ma Bell to MFS to Level Three
    [00:08:58] Lessons from WorldCom: What Fake Value Creation Looks Like
    [00:10:35] What First-Time Acquirers Get Wrong
    [00:12:39] Building the Zayo Thesis: Fiber Orphans and Accidental Owners
    [00:17:20] Raising Capital When You Have a Track Record
    [00:23:50] What Must Be True for the Thesis to Work
    [00:26:54] Why EBITDA Doesn't Measure Value Creation
    [00:29:15] The Danger of Tracking Acquisitions Individually
    [00:31:17] What Actually Drove Zayo's Success
    [00:36:10] Convincing Sellers: Proprietary Sourcing and Relationship Strategy
    [00:45:30] The Above Net Acquisition: Unsolicited, Fully Funded, at a Conference
    [00:51:02] Negotiation Tactics: Unpredictability, Silence, and Team Play
    [01:02:16] Deal Structure: Why Zayo Avoided Earnouts
    [01:03:56] Clean Cash Offers and Certainty of Close
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    Cross-Border M&A: Doing Deals in Latin America

    26/03/2026 | 1 h
    Rodrigo Dominguez Sotomayor, Partner at White & Case LLP
    Most US buyers approach Latin America M&A the same way they do a domestic deal — optimize the process, close fast, move on. That approach gets deals killed.
    Rodrigo Dominguez Sotomayor, Partner at White & Case LLP, has spent 25 years closing transactions across every major Latin America market. In this episode, he walks through what actually determines outcomes: antitrust consent timelines, labor regimes that make post-close restructuring expensive, and the relationship dynamics that can unwind a billion-dollar deal a week before signing.
    What You'll Learn In This Episode: 
    How a PE fund lost a billion-dollar deal over 2% — and why it was avoidable
    Why LatAm antitrust approvals can take up to nine months and how to plan around them
    What no employment-at-will actually costs you post-close
    Why showing up to a LatAm auction without reps & warranties insurance is a disadvantage
    How to negotiate with family founders when price isn't what closes the deal
    Why 80% of Latin America deals now run through auctions
    Your standard diligence process will miss things that kill LatAm deals — statutory severance you didn't model, title searches that go back a hundred years, antitrust consent timelines that block close for months, auctions where R&W insurance is already expected.
    Running diligence on a LatAm target right now? The M&A Science Hub has two resources built directly from this episode — the LATAM Diligence Delta Checklist and the Latin America M&A Entry Playbook — plus an AI tutor trained on 400+ practitioner conversations you can pressure-test your current deal against.
    Members get access before the episode goes public. → Access inside the Intelligence Hub — members only. 
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    Episode Chapters
    [00:04:26] Rodrigo's background: 25 years across Latin America M&A
    [00:06:57] How a cross-border acquisition actually starts
    [00:10:17] Bilateral deals and family-owned businesses
    [00:12:52] Reading the room: when not to push on numbers
    [00:14:12] The billion-dollar deal that fell apart over 2%
    [00:20:02] Antitrust consent regimes across LatAm
    [00:29:49] The union leader story
    [00:27:14] Labor, employment, and statutory severance
    [00:34:04] Reps & warranties insurance: now standard in LatAm
    [00:38:44] Auction vs. bilateral: the 80/20 split
    [00:44:01] FinTech opportunity in Latin America
    [00:48:05] NVCA forms and deal documentation
    [00:52:48] Post-close integration: what actually determines success
    [00:55:51] Craziest Thing in M&A

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M&A Science, hosted by Kison Patel (Founder & CEO of DealRoom), is your go-to podcast for mastering the art of mergers and acquisitions. Each week, Kison and his expert guests from leading brands like Xerox, FastLap, and Cisco dig deep into real-world M&A strategies, offering actionable insights to optimize your M&A practice. Whether you're an experienced practitioner or new to the field, M&A Science provides practical advice on key topics like sourcing, due diligence, integration, divestitures, and more. With over 300 episodes, this podcast is the premier thought leadership resource designed to streamline your deal-making process. Start listening today and visit mascience.com/podcast to access over 300 episodes. Brought to you by DealRoom, the leading M&A optimization platform used by the best M&A teams around the world
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