M&A Science

No guest today. No interview. Just Kison talking directly to you.
After 400 episodes and nearly 100 founding members, Kison wanted to give you a real update - where M&A Science has been, what we're building, and where this is going.
In this episode:
Why episodes are moving to Thursdays
How the Intelligence Hub actually works (and why it's better for M&A than ChatGPT)
What's coming next: Buyer-Led M&A Certification and Enterprise Intelligence Hub
Ways to get involved: Membership and the Deal Leader program
If you've been part of this journey, this one's for you.
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Ciprian Stan, M&A Integration Manager at SALESIANER Gruppe
Too many deals fail not because the strategy was wrong, but because execution realities surfaced too late.
Ciprian Stan, M&A Integration Manager at SALESIANER Gruppe, is back for part 2. In this portion of the interview, he shares a practitioner's perspective on why integration must inform strategy before a deal is signed, never after.
The conversation explores why cultural non-negotiables rarely surface through checklists, how trust shapes execution outcomes, and why early commitments must survive post-close reality. Ciprian explains why integration leaders need to ask smarter questions, and how technology (including AI) should support judgment rather than replace it.
This episode is for corp dev leaders, integration managers, and executives who want fewer surprises after close and more durable deal outcomes. If you missed part 1, make sure to catch that first, where we talk about building preliminary integration plans during diligence and why customization beats templates. Then come back for the trust and execution reality in part 2.  

Things You'll Learn
Why execution constraints should shape deal strategy early
How cultural non-negotiables actually surface in diligence
The role of trust in integration success
Why earnouts often fail when execution reality changes
How AI can support integration thinking—if used responsibly
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Episode Chapters 
[00:04:29] Knowing When to Kill a Deal – Why smart executives walk away when sunk costs, ego, and reputation start driving bad decisions. 
[00:05:12] Integration Non-Negotiables – The critical role of a "red team" and trusted challengers in stress-testing deal assumptions early.  
[00:05:50] Custom Diligence, Not Checkbox M&A – How tailoring diligence to the deal thesis prevents wasted effort and missed risks.  
[00:06:25] The Thousand-Checklist Trap – Why dumping massive integration plans on teams backfires—and how to narrow focus without losing rigor.  
[00:07:28] Diligence Should Shape Integration – Aligning integration plans directly to value drivers uncovered during diligence.  
[00:10:17] Pre-Signing Integration Plans – Why having a preliminary integration roadmap before signing is essential to execution and accountability.  
[00:11:55] Trust Is the Real Integration Currency – How trust matters more after close than before—and how it's easily damaged.
[00:15:18] Earn-Outs That Blow Up Trust – How overlapping acquisitions can quietly sabotage earn-outs and poison seller relationships.
[00:19:29] When Culture and Ops Both Fail – The red-line rule: why deals with both operational and cultural issues should not get done.  
[00:23:03] AI, IP, and the Future of M&A Work – Why technology is becoming commoditized and experience-driven judgment is the real differentiator.  
[00:33:58] Defining IP in the Tech Era – Debating whether intellectual property lies in the technology itself or in unique, qualitative content and human insight.  I have a question like what IP 
[00:47:10] The Craziest Thing in M&A – A deal dies after buyers are forbidden from entering one room during diligence—raising irreversible trust red flags.
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Ciprian Stan, M&A Integration Manager at SALESIANER Gruppe
Most M&A deals fail because integration was "something to figure out later". By the time execution realities, cultural risks, and people impacts surface, the deal is locked, and teams must work around untested assumptions.
In this episode of the M&A Science podcast, Ciprian Stan, M&A Integration Manager at SALESIANER Gruppe, explains that integration must be a strategic input to increase chances of success. 

Things You'll Learn
The importance of involving Integration early in the process
Pre LOI preparations and expectations
Cultural Diligence and what to look for
How to communicate the deal the right way
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Episode Chapters 
[00:03:38] From Computer Science to M&A Integration – How an engineering background shaped Ciprian's integration mindset.
[00:07:41] First Exposure to M&A by Accident – Learning integration the hard way through a CBRE–Johnson Controls acquisition.
[00:10:18] Systems Thinking in Integration – Why no single workstream (IT, culture, ops) should dominate integration.
[00:13:54] Proactive vs. Reactive Buyers – How deliberate M&A strategy outperforms impulse and competitive-response deals.
[00:16:08] What "Good Strategy" Actually Looks Like – Using geographic and capability gaps to drive successful acquisitions.
[00:21:40] Why Integration Must Be Involved Early – How late involvement leads to unexecutable deal strategies.
[00:23:47] LOI Reality Check – Managing uncertainty, pricing flexibility, and risk before committing to a deal.
[00:33:19] Three Schools of Thought on Culture – Ignoring culture, adapting to it, or using it as a value-creation lever.
[00:43:53] The Case for Time Between Sign and Close – Why integration planning works best with a deliberate gap before closing.
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Carlos Cesta, Partner at Makanta Services
M&A isn't just about closing deals, it's about making the deal actually work. 
Carlos Cesta, M&A advisor and founder of his own boutique advisory practice, spent 30 years on the buy-side at Verizon, Dentsu, Presidio, and NP Digital. He's worked 125+ deals across telecom, advertising, and digital marketing. Now he's flipped to advisory, bringing that buy-side operator mindset to entrepreneurs preparing for exit.
In this episode of the M&A Science Podcast, Carlos Cesta, Partner at Makanta Services, breaks down how seasoned buyers really think about M&A. Not as a linear process, but as a series of decisions that constantly reshape one another.
Carlos shares why strategy is as much about what not to pursue, and he also explains why one-size-fits-all deal templates fail, how earnouts are often misused, and what experienced buyers do differently to protect value after closing.
Things You'll Learn:
Why M&A strategy also means defining what you WON'T buy 
The deal spiral model experienced buyers use
How to start integration planning before LOI
How to structure earnouts that actually work
Using deal structure earnouts as a risk management tool
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Episode Chapters 
[00:03:34] Carlos Cesta Background – 30 years in corporate development across Verizon, Dentsu, Presidio, and NP Digital with 125+ deals executed.
[00:05:27] Standing Up M&A from Zero – What it really takes to build an M&A function when no corporate development muscle exists.
[00:09:32] Strategy Before Transactions – Why defining what NOT to buy is more important than chasing opportunistic deals.
[00:11:05] Programmatic M&A Through Cycles – How repeatable, strategy-led M&A creates value across economic and technology shifts.
[00:14:21] Blending Venture and M&A Thinking – Using VC-style investments to manage disruption and future-proof acquisition strategy.
[00:17:23] The Deal Spiral Framework – Why deal structure, diligence, and integration must evolve together, not linearly.
[00:21:57] Designing the End State First – Starting with culture, leadership, and go-to-market alignment before signing an LOI.
[00:30:21] Creative Earnout Engineering – Structuring earnouts to de-risk deals while aligning seller incentives.
[00:36:39] Optimizing for Outcome, Not Closing – Why long-term performance matters more than deal certainty or headline price.
[00:59:14] Craziest M&A Story – A cautionary tale about diligence failures involving a meth lab explosion.
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Christian Hassold, Senior Vice President of Corporate Development and Strategic Partnerships at Wpromote x Giant Spoon
Christian has been on both sides of M&A as a serial founder and corporate development leader. In this episode, Christian shares his hard-earned lessons about culture as the ultimate deal-breaker in M&A. He breaks down the subtle red flags that founders miss when evaluating acquisition targets, explains why he interviews employees before talking to investors, and shares the fascinating story of acquiring a competitor that was shutting down—where culture assessment made all the difference. Christian also introduces his 5-pillar lean M&A framework and explains why "commit to close" doesn't mean ignoring red flags, but rather cataloging them until you have enough evidence that culture fit is fundamentally broken.
 
Things You'll Learn
Why interviewing employees before investors reveals the real culture story—and the specific red flags that signal a deal should stop
 How to distinguish between fixable cultural friction and fundamental misalignment that will crater post-merger integration
The "commit to close" philosophy that balances conviction with cataloging red flags—knowing when three strikes means you walk away
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Episode Chapters
[00:03:00] The Entrepreneur's Path to Corporate Development – How building and selling three companies shaped Christian's view on culture fit
[00:10:30] Three Things I Wish I Knew Before My First Deal – Why assuming nothing about culture and motivations is critical [00:13:00] The Lean M&A Framework for Culture Assessment – Five pillars that put people and culture at the center of deal evaluation
[00:16:00] Deep Dive the Business: Beyond Numbers – Why talking to customers and employees reveals culture gaps before they kill deals
[00:22:30] Commit to Close vs. Catalog Red Flags – When dishonesty, fraud, or culture misalignment should stop a deal immediately
[00:27:00] Culture as the Ultimate Deal-Breaker – The difference between management style preferences and irreconcilable cultural dysfunction
[00:31:00] Post-Merger Integration Starts Day One – Why the PMI team needs a front-row seat on culture assessment from the IOI forward
[00:54:30] The Hub Logics Story: Interviewing Employees First – How Christian uncovered the real reasons a competitor failed by talking to the team

[01:12:18] The Craziest M&A Story – AI-driven M&A is redefining tech valuations—exits are now priced at multiples of capital raised rather than traditional ARR or EBITDA.
 
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