The Agile Brand with Greg Kihlström®: Expert Mode Marketing Technology, AI, & CX

What if the biggest obstacle to your AI strategy isn't the algorithm, but the 20-year-old software your team is forced to use every day?

Agility requires not just a willingness to adopt new strategies like AI, but also the courage to dismantle the legacy systems that hold your people and processes captive.

Today, we're going to talk about the hidden costs of outdated technology. While many leaders are focused on implementing the next generation of AI, new research suggests that the legacy systems still running in the background are not just inefficient—they're actively eroding employee morale, productivity, and could even be a major factor in employee turnover.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Matt Healy, Sr. Director, Product Strategy & Marketing at Pega. About Matt Healy Matt Healy, Senior Director of Product Marketing, leads product marketing and strategy for Pega Platform. He helps engage with enterprises to bring new solutions to life that enable faster legacy transformation, accelerated development, AI & automation at scale to unlock business agility, operational efficiency, and developer effectiveness. Matt Healy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattbhealy/ Resources Pega: https://www.pega.com Pega provides the leading AI-powered platform for enterprise transformation. The world’s most influential organizations trust Pega’s technology to reimagine how work gets done by automating workflows, personalizing customer experiences, and modernizing legacy systems. Since 1983, Pega’s scalable, flexible architecture has fueled continuous innovation, helping clients accelerate their path to the autonomous enterprise. Learn more at Pega.com

See the research from Pega mentioned on the show: https://www.pega.com/about/news/press-releases/new-research-uncovers-hidden-toll-ineffective-workplace-technology

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With AI promising to accelerate everything, is the most important role for a leader now to be the one who knows when to hit the brakes?

Agility requires a balance between the rapid adoption of new technologies and the strategic wisdom to know which ones will actually deliver customer value. It's less about moving fast and more about moving in the right direction.

Today, we're going to talk about how AI has permanently changed product development. But while it enables teams to tackle more problems faster than ever, the real challenge has shifted to keeping pace with rising customer expectations. This new landscape requires a shift in product leadership—from simply adopting trends to discerning real value, and using human judgment and creativity to decide where AI can make the biggest impact, and where it’s just noise.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Kevin Wang, Chief Product Officer at Braze. About Kevin Wang Kevin Wang is the Chief Product Officer at Braze, where he leads the definition of Braze’s product roadmap and R&D efforts, as well as managing and scaling the Product Management and Product Design teams. Kevin joined Braze as its fifth employee in 2012, helping to build the first product sold to customers and the early engineering team. He’s since held a variety of roles across product management, engineering, engineering management, and technical recruiting. Prior to Braze, Kevin was a consultant at Accenture focusing on the energy sector. Kevin holds a B.S. in Brain & Cognitive Sciences from MIT. Kevin Wang on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-wang-96131916/ Resources Braze: https://www.braze.com/ The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703 Drive your customers to new horizons at the premier retail event of the year for Retail and Brand marketers. Learn more at CRMC 2026, June 1-3. https://aglbrnd.co/r/d15ec37a537c0d74 We’re proud to be a media partner for #MAICON26 - Oct. 13-15! Learn how AI can power your marketing and business and help you grow smarter. Use code AGILE150 to save! https://aglbrnd.co/r/7fe458ced0f04658 Enjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716ba Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company

We've all been sold the dream of AI transforming the customer experience, but what if the most common approach is actually making it worse?

Agility requires more than just implementing new technology; it demands a deep understanding of the human interactions that technology is meant to support. It’s about adapting your tools and processes to enhance human judgment, not just automate it.

Today, we're going to talk about moving beyond the hype of AI in customer experience. We'll explore how to ground an AI strategy not in the technology itself, but in the real, human moments that define a brand, and discuss why empowering your frontline team might be the most critical, and overlooked, component of a successful CX transformation.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome, Michelle Cooper, CMO at NiCE. About Michelle Cooper Michelle Cooper on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelleleecooper/ Resources NiCE: https://www.nice.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703 Drive your customers to new horizons at the premier retail event of the year for Retail and Brand marketers. Learn more at CRMC 2026, June 1-3. https://aglbrnd.co/r/d15ec37a537c0d74 Enjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716ba Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company

Is generative AI on track to become the biggest productivity unlock for marketers since the internet, or will it forever be stuck in endless pilot projects and one-off experiments?

Agility requires moving beyond isolated experiments and embracing the systemic redesign of core creative and marketing workflows. It's about building the operational muscle to not just adopt new technology, but to integrate it into the very fabric of how your brand creates value.

Today, we're going to talk about what happens after the initial hype cycle of generative AI. We're moving past the novelty of prompting for images and into the far more complex challenge of operationalizing AI at enterprise scale. This isn't just about adding a new tool; it's about re-architecting the entire creative supply chain and redefining the role of human judgment in a world of content abundance.

To help me discuss this topic, I'd like to welcome Hannah Elsakr, VP of New GenAI Business Ventures at Adobe.

About Hannah Elsakr Hannah Elsakr serves as Vice President of GenAI New Business Ventures at Adobe, where she leads efforts at the intersection of technology, creativity, and marketing. She launched Adobe Firefly Enterprise businesses, starting with Firefly Services for creative automation and Firefly Foundry, Adobe’s GenAI deep-tuning managed service, enabling brands to adopt commercially safe generative AI. Previously, she led Corporate Development and served as Chief of Staff to Adobe’s CEO and Chair, Shantanu Narayen. Hannah is also Board President for the Adobe Foundation, which creates positive change through support for creative and digital literacy, social equity and opportunity, and active engagement in the communities where we live and work.

Hannah has experience leading global businesses in ecommerce & marketplaces, consumer products, SaaS, and advisory services. Prior to joining Adobe, she was the Vice President at eBay with P&L responsibility for eBay’s Canada, Latin America, and U.S. Exports businesses as well as business operations. Hannah previously held leadership roles at eBay, Del Monte Foods, Avon Products, McKinsey & Co., and J.P. Morgan.Hannah holds a Bachelor of Science degree in applied mathematics with computer science from MIT and an MBA from Harvard Business School. Hannah Elsakr on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannahelsakr/ Resources Adobe: https://www.adobe.com The Agile Brand podcast is brought to you by TEKsystems. Learn more here: https://aglbrnd.co/r/2868abd8085a9703 Drive your customers to new horizons at the premier retail event of the year for Retail and Brand marketers. Learn more at CRMC 2026, June 1-3. https://aglbrnd.co/r/d15ec37a537c0d74 Enjoyed the show? Tell us more at and give us a rating so others can find the show at: https://aglbrnd.co/r/faaed112fc9887f3 Connect with Greg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregkihlstromDon't miss a thing: get the latest episodes, sign up for our newsletter and more: https://aglbrnd.co/r/35ded3ccfb6716ba Check out The Agile Brand Guide website with articles, insights, and Martechipedia, the wiki for marketing technology: https://www.agilebrandguide.com The Agile Brand is produced by Missing Link—a Latina-owned strategy-driven, creatively fueled production co-op. From ideation to creation, they craft human connections through intelligent, engaging and informative content. https://www.missinglink.company

I would like to recommend a new podcast called The Interface from the BBC. It's the BBC's fiercly informed, fast and funny take on how technology is impacting all of us. I have become regular listeners and hope you enjoy it too!