The Rest Is Classified

Do Israel and America spy on each other? And how do close allies navigate stealing each other’s secrets?

Listen as David and Gordon step inside the tricky intelligence sharing relationship between the US and Israel.

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How did a group of civilian divers carry out what’s been described as one of the greatest acts of sabotage of the 21st century? And have they finally been exposed?

Listen as David and Gordon unpack the investigation into who blew up the Nord Stream Pipeline in 2022 with Bojan Pancevski, Chief European Political Correspondent of the Wall Street Journal and author of the newly released book, The Nord Stream Conspiracy.

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Why did an undersea pipeline that sent Russian gas to Germany explode in 2022? And could a group of Ukrainian operatives really have been behind it?

David and Gordon are joined by Bojan Pancevski, Chief European Political Correspondent of the Wall Street Journal and author of the newly released book, The Nord Stream Conspiracy, to discuss who was really responsible for the explosion of the Nord Stream pipeline in 2022.

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A Chinese fighter jet and American spy plane collide over the South China Seas. And now a US aircrew are held hostage by their Chinese captors.

David and Gordon reach the dramatic crescendo of their story exploring the downing of a US spy plane over the South China Seas.

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What happens when a Chinese Fighter jet crashes into a US spy plane? The result is death, hostages and a major crisis with lessons for what could spark a war today.

Listen as David and Gordon tell the infamous story of the Hainan Island Incident.

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