Public Service Podcast

Rohit is one of the world’s most interesting researchers looking at the practical applications of modern AI agents and how they integrate with real-world systems. He works as the CPO at Bodo.AI, previously McKinsey’s European Lead for growth technology and a co-founder at Fab AI. We discuss using the latest generation of agents to accelerate science, how groups of agents can unintentionally commit fraud, Hayek’s critique of the machine god, and the future of professional expertise and knowledge work.
A full transcript, with links and helpful notes, is available at:
https://alethios.substack.com/p/rohit-krishnan-managing-ai-agents

Hon Phil Goff is a former New Zealand Minister of Trade, Foreign Affairs, Defence, Education, Housing, and Justice. In 2016 he was elected mayor of the Auckland 'Supercity'. We discuss that experience, contrasting central and local government, as well as his role negotiating the first Western Free Trade Agreement with China in 2008.
Full transcript, with inline notes and links is available at alethios.substack.com
Auckland Skyline image from Ssiyamalan.

Presenting a discussion with Sean Audain, the former City Innovation Lead and now Strategic Planning Manager at Wellington City Council. We covered a wide array of topics, from how Wellington is using sensors at scale to improve earthquake resilience, to the implications of narrowing information asymmetries thanks to AI combined with data collection at unprecedented scale.
This recording is from the 2025 Sustainable Development Goals Summit at Massey University and is published here with the permission of the organising committee.

Ludo is one of the most interesting and successful public servants of the 21st Century, leading a radical transformation of Auckland’s urban design over his 13 years as the city’s ‘Design Champion’. YIMBY’s rightly celebrate the city’s upzoning successes and improving affordability, but it’s easy to forget how strong public opposition to ‘ugly’ tower blocks almost unraveled the movement before it started.
Delivering change is always challenging, particularly in the public sector. Ludo’s extraordinary efforts required building and managing a world-class team, maintaining political support, leading a relentless and incisive comms strategy, and coordinating the efforts of numerous public organisations all to deliver quality public spaces at such scale that it came to be expected, and therefore easy and unremarkable.

Patrick McKenzie (aka patio11) is a strategic advisor at Stripe, an angel investor, writes the fortnightly newsletter ‘Bits About Money’ about financial infrastructure, and was CEO of the extraordinary VaccinateCA effort in 2021. Patrick and I previously spoke on his show ‘Complex Systems’ about system dynamics, local government challenges, and organisational scar tissue. Here we follow up on what the insane VaccinateCA saga tells us about modern institutional dysfunction, and how we might avoid repeating the terrible mistakes of 2021.
Read the full transcript with inline notes here:
https://alethios.substack.com/p/patrick-mckenzie-vaccinateca