The DePIN Telecom Revolution: Roaming Without Borders | Samer Bishay, Karrier One (#69)
Explore how Carrier One is redefining global connectivity through DePIN and bringing telecom into Web3.In this episode, Tom Trowbridge interviews Samer Bishay (CEO & co-founder of Karrier One) — a decentralized telecom network enabling global roaming, local coverage, and Web3-native identity for millions of mobile users.Carrier One merges 25+ years of telco expertise with DePIN economics to solve one of the world’s biggest challenges:💡 1/3 of humanity still has no reliable internet access, and over 2 billion people remain unbankedThis conversation dives deep into: - Why telecom is one of the most powerful real-world use cases for DePIN- The difference between Web3-first and Telco-first DePIN projects- How Carrier One enables global roaming using local hardware (WiFi, CBRS, macro nodes)- The economics behind a B2B DePIN model (AT&T partnership, real revenue)- Trustless settlement: why blockchain solves telecom’s biggest pain point- Tokenized connectivity: consumption, burn mechanics, incentives- Hardware deployment: how communities can earn from coverage- The long-term mission: connect the unconnected + bank the unbanked- What makes adoption so hard — and how Carrier Number solves onboarding- The 1M → 10M Web3-enabled phone vision- Global expansion beyond North America🎙️ If you want to understand the future of decentralized telecom, roaming without borders, and why DePIN is the biggest opportunity Telco has seen in decades — this episode is essential.
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The AI Data Engine Behind 8M Devices & Petabytes of Web Data | Andrej Radonjic, Grass (#68)
Explore how Grass became one of the most important data engines powering today’s AI models!In this episode, Tom Trowbridge (co-founder & CEO of Fluence) interviews Andrej Radonjic, Founder & CEO of Winged Labs — the team behind the Grass Network, a DePIN system with 8M+ residential devices contributing bandwidth and enabling petabytes of real-world web data for the world’s leading AI labs.This conversation dives deep into:- How Grass built the largest AI-focused DePIN network in the world- Why AI companies need massive, multimodal datasets (especially video)- How Grass handles hundreds of petabytes of data and pushes 4 PB/day at peak- The hidden world of residential proxy networks — and why Grass chose the ethical path- Why blockchain and tokenized network ownership are essential for scaling- Forced verticalization: building their own storage, servers, GPUs, and infra- The future of AI: Live Context Retrieval and real-time access to the entire public web- Token holders, incentives, and the economics behind a global data network🎙️ Grass is enabling AI models to see the real world in real time. If you want to understand the data layer behind the next generation of AI, this episode is essential.
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Streaming the 3D WorldStreaming the 3D World | Luis Ramirez, Mawari (#67)
In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Luis Oscar Ramirez, Founder of Mawari, the Immersive Compute Network powering the future of XR and AI.Mawari started as a Web2 company trying to solve the hard problem of streaming 3D content for AR/VR — and found DePIN as the only viable way to scale.Today, they’re running over 5,000 GPUs across APAC, powering real-time edge rendering, AI inference, and even virtual YouTubers — with a modular 4-node architecture and a mission to make immersive content truly global.Topics covered:– Why AR/VR needs real-time compute at the edge– How Mawari evolved from XR studio to DePIN infra– The use case explosion: from AI agents to K-pop avatars– DePIN in Asia: Japan, Korea, and the coming wave– Their upcoming Guardian Node launch & token modelA rare inside look at an Asia-first DePIN project solving real infrastructure challenges today.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem
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DePIN is Growing Up: What VCs Really Look For | Mike Zajko, Lattice (#66)
In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge talks to Mike Zajko, co-founder of Lattice, one of the most active DePIN-focused venture firms. Mike shares what VCs really look for in early-stage crypto projects, how the DePIN category has evolved, and why real-world traction and revenue are more critical than ever.👀 We cover:- Lattice’s origin story- What makes a DePIN project fundable (and what doesn’t)- Common mistakes early founders make- Tokenomics, airdrops & why points changed the game- The future of institutional adoption in DePIN- Why “build it and they will come” is no longer enough🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem
What if your TV could talk back?In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, we dive into the future of interactive media with Mateusz Poreda, co-founder of Rumi — a decentralized protocol turning passive video into AI-powered, personalized experiences.Real-time content indexing, contextual ads and second-screen engagement, Rumi is building a gateway between streaming, gaming, and generative AI. Don’t miss this conversation on why TV is becoming a two-way experience and how DePIN makes it possible.We cover:• What Rumi is and how it works• How node operators contribute to media indexing• The rise of AI remotes and second-screen agents• Token incentives, airdrops & monetization• Why contextual media is the future of advertising💡 Whether you’re a developer, builder, or DePIN enthusiast — this episode dives deep into🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects in the DePIN ecosystem
DePINed is a podcast focused on the ecosystem of decentralized physical networks. DePIN companies and protocols crowdsource infrastructure such as WiFi hot spots, computer servers and even cars and, using crypto incentives, create cohesive, global networks from thousands of different providers. This podcast explores all of the use cases launching in this sector as well as the key players in financing and explaining this growing sector which will reshape a broad array of industries. Hosted by Tom Trowbridge, co-founder of Fluence, previously co-founder and president at Hedera Hashgraph.
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