Ep. 218: Conan Gray | Wishbone; How a Bedroom Dreamer Became a Global Voice
Today’s guest began on YouTube — a teenager posting bedroom covers to a handful of viewers.Now, his songs have been streamed billions of times across the globe.He’s headlined sold-out arenas on multiple continents, become a global fashion force, and built one of the most devoted fanbases of his generation.He’s collaborated with legends like Max Martin, while never losing the raw honesty that made his music essential in the first place.He’s not just a rising star — he’s already one of pop’s defining voices.And with his new album, he proves that even at the biggest scale, vulnerability is still his superpower.And the writer is… Conan Gray!Follow us on socials! @andthewriteris Thank you to NMPA for sponsoring this season, and fighting for songwriters as well as this podcast.00:00 – This Is Conan Gray (teaser)01:00 – Singing Disney With Ross 🎶02:00 – From Bedroom Dreams to Billions02:59 – Growing Up Lonely, Writing to Survive04:45 – The Music Video That Rewired His Brain06:30 – When Adele Proved Bedroom Songs Were Possible07:30 – Uploading at Age 9 (Before He Knew the Internet)14:15 – “Nothing Sounded Like Me”15:45 – Panic Attacks → Falling in Love With Touring21:15 – Dropping Out & Betting Everything on Music23:20 – The Moment His Sister Realized He Was Famous24:30 – Turning Heartbreak Into Healing on Stage26:00 – The Nightmare of Empty Venues28:30 – Dan Nigro: The Producer Who Changed Everything30:15 – Why Conan Refuses to Believe He’s ‘Made It’33:22 – Ad Break – Support Songwriters (NMPA)34:00 – ‘Maniac’: The Shower Song That Hit a Billion 🚿35:45 – Heather: The Song Everyone Slept On… Until They Didn’t40:32 – Found Heaven: His Public Bootcamp43:23 – Max Martin’s Biggest Lesson (That Changed His Writing)47:00 – Rediscovering Himself on Wishbone50:05 – The Falsetto High Note That Almost Broke Him52:07 – Cornell: The Song Too Honest to Ignore53:00 – Why Radical Honesty Is His Only Rule55:00 – Why His Art Isn’t Just Music56:00 – The Three Songs That Define His New Era01:03:15 – What He’d Tell 12-Year-Old Conan01:07:00 – Ross: “You Wrote a Song I Wish Was Mine”Hosted by Ross GolanExecutive Produced by Joe London and Jad Saad Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Ep. 217: Rodney Jerkins | How He Turned Belief Into Hits — And Changed Music Forever
He believed before anyone else did.Before the Grammys.Before the 39 billion streams.Before Say My Name changed the sound of radio forever.He was just a kid on a New Jersey bus, chasing a dream no one else could see.In this episode, legendary producer Rodney “Darkchild” Jerkins shares how faith, fire, and pure conviction took him from a basement studio to shaping the sound of a generation. From Michael Jackson to Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, and Sam Smith, Rodney opens up about the mindset behind the music — and why belief is still the most powerful tool a creator has.You’ll hear about the reset that saved his career, the changing landscape of songwriting in the AI era, and the stories behind some of the most iconic records of the last 25 years.And The Writer Is... Rodney Jerkins.Topics:The real story behind Say My Name Working with Michael Jackson, Beyoncé, and GagaWhy belief matters more than talentHow to stay inspired (even after burnout)AI, music tech, and what’s missing from today's processWhat every songwriter needs to know about their valueSponsored by:SONA, DIMA, Amazon Music, and YouTube Songwriters.Thank you for supporting us and protecting the future of songwriting!Produced by Ross Golan, Joe London, and Jad Saad Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Key Moment: Ryan Tedder | How to Be Irreplaceable
What does it really take to become irreplaceable in music?This is more than a lesson in music. It’s a masterclass in how to make yourself essential in any room you enter.In this episode, Ryan Tedder shares a raw, unfiltered blueprint for building a career that stands the test of time.From mastering guitar, piano, and production to writing two songs a day, Ryan unpacks why versatility, humility, and relentless work ethic are the hidden currencies of longevity. He breaks down the mindset shifts that separate fleeting success from lasting impact, and why assuming everyone is more talented than you might just be your greatest advantage. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Ep. 216: Ryan Tedder (pt.3) | The Truth About Fame & How to Win in Music and Life
Today’s guest is the mastermind behind some of the biggest songs on earth – a creative force whose melodies have shaped generations. From crafting timeless anthems with Beyoncé, Adele, and Taylor Swift to leading OneRepublic to global dominance, he’s not just a hitmaker – he’s an architect of modern music.In this conversation, Ryan Tedder rips the veil off fame and fortune, revealing the hidden costs of success, the brutal truths no one talks about, and his unfiltered blueprint for building wealth, longevity, and creative mastery in a world obsessed with trends. He dives deep into why most artists fail, how boredom became his superpower, and what it actually takes to build a legacy that lasts.This isn’t an interview. It’s a wake-up call for every creator chasing relevance in 2025 and beyond.And The Writer Is… Ryan Tedder! (Part 3)Produced by Joe London, Ross Golan, & Jad SaadChapters:00:00 Intro 00:52 His Morning Routine That Changed Everything02:06 How Boredom Made Him Creative03:40 The Hidden Dark Side of Fame05:50 Justin Timberlake’s Brutal Warning10:15 Fame is a Prison: Stories from the Top14:14 Why He Hid His Singing Talent as a Kid17:25 Lady Gaga’s Secret Ambition Revealed20:55 Money Makes You a Target23:02 His Dream: Rich But Unknown25:26 Investing Millions Outside Music27:05 Why Famous Artists Go Broke31:02 Getting Dropped Saved His Career36:13 What $50 Million a Year Really Means39:22 NMPA Sponsor Break41:01 Labels Want You Wild & Broke44:40 Can You Win Without Flexing?47:12 Managers Who Destroy Artists’ Careers50:52 Why Tate McRae Is Built Different53:37 OneRepublic’s Secret to Longevity57:12 Sync Deals vs Streaming: Where Money Really Is01:00:52 His Songwriting Secrets & ‘God Moments’01:05:00 How He Stays Creative After 20+ Years01:09:00 The Role of Trust in Hit-Making01:13:00 Stories of Working With DJs & Pop Stars01:17:00 The Future of Music & AI’s Impact01:21:00 His Philosophy on Work Ethic & Success01:25:00 Final Words: Advice to Creators01:29:00 Outro Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Key Moment: Russ | What Every Artist Needs to Know (10-Minute Blueprint)
In this powerful 10-minute blueprint, Russ breaks down what every artist needs to know to build a real career in today’s music industry. From his mindset of delusional self-belief to strategic release plans and business truths, this clip will change the way you approach your music journey forever.Subscribe for more industry insight and give us a rating if you enjoyed this! It helps us keep this show free forever, which is our commitment to the industry and our audience.Presented by NMPAhttps://www.nmpa.org/Chapters:0:00 Why Songs Don’t Blow Up0:15 Is Inspiration Overrated?0:33 Writing Big Songs While Uninspired1:05 How Russ Would Start From Zero Today1:24 Stockpiling Songs & Posting Strategy1:57 Do You Want Success Bad Enough?2:01 Russ’ Duality: Confidence vs. Doubt2:21 The Power of Delusional Self-Belief3:02 Why Songwriters Should Stop Giving Songs Away3:51 Why Most Artists Stay Broke5:06 Taking Control of Your Music Business6:38 The Purity of Creating Without an Audience7:04 The Audience Picks The Hits8:07 Russ’ Song-a-Week Strategy Explained8:39 When a Song Flops: Russ on Bankrupt9:13 Why It’s Okay If It’s Not The One Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Every week, we sit down with an acclaimed and venerable songwriter to intimately discuss what happens behind closed doors in the music industry. There are millions of singers, thousands of artists, and only 40 top songs per genre at a time... this podcast is about the people who make them. Produced by Joe London & Ross Golan in association with Big Deal Music & Mega House Music. And The Writer Is... ™ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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