The Jay & Tony Show Show - Vertically Challenged

This week, Jay and Tony sit down with Bogdan Nesvit, co-founder and co-CEO of Holywater and My Drama, whose path to building a micro-drama heavyweight somehow includes post-Soviet Ukraine, Oxford, the UN, and a startup that blew up on the launchpad. Normal.
 
In Part 1, Bogdan gets into the failure that shaped him, the founder ego problem nobody likes admitting, and why he has worked hard not to make decisions from that poisoned well. Yes, there is Buddhism. Yes, there is meditation. And yes, it all ends up being weirdly useful when your job is building the future of entertainment.
 
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#134 - Emergency podcast. Ai has killed Chinese production hubs. The AIpocalsye is here.

Jay and Tony keep going with Evan Shapīro, and the conversation gets sharper, messier, and much more fun. Evan unloads on the collapse of gatekeepers, the rise of the creator economy, and the uncomfortable truth that audiences now have more power than the people who used to decide what got made, sold, and seen.
 
From savage media leadership critiques to the brutal math of engagement, platforms, and survival, this episode gets into what the future of entertainment actually looks like. Spolier alert: it's not the version dressed up in corporate jargon and wishful thinking. If you want to know where Hollywood is headed, who's already adapting, and who's about to get steamrolled, this is where the real answers start.
 
ESHAP Media War & Peace Substack:  https://eshap.substack.com/ 
 
The Media Odyssy Podcast:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-media-odyssey/id1784460871
 
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Jay and Tony sit down with a man known as the "media cartographer," Evan Shapīro, to unpack his now-iconic Media Universe Map and what it reveals about the modern entertainment ecosystem and those pretending the old playbook works. From his roots in theater and TV to helping launch culture-shifting hits like Portlandia, Evan brings serious receipts to a conversation about how audiences moved, power shifted, and legacy players somehow missed the giant flashing signs.


The group digs into how the map works, how to read it, and why so many traditional media companies are still wandering into the future with no shoes and no clue. It's a smart, sharp foundation for understanding the entertainment business as it actually exists today.


ESHAP Media War & Peace Substack:  https://eshap.substack.com/ 
 
The Media Odyssy Podcast:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-media-odyssey/id1784460871
 
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Instagram:  @vertically_challenged_pod_jtss
The Jay and Tony Show:  www.jayandtonyshow.com

In this episode, Jay and Tony dive into the latest chaos in the vertical micro-drama space, unpacking what creators, investors, and platforms are getting right… and where they're completely kidding themselves. From shifting audience expectations to the sprint for a paywall model that actually makes money, they break down why some projects pop while others vanish on impact.

Along the way, they get into the industry's favorite bad habit of applying traditional Hollywood logic to a format that clearly did not ask for it. They debate the confusion, the misfires, and the few things that actually matter if you're trying to build a real hit in this space. It's an honest look at an industry moving faster than most people can fake understanding it.
 
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The Jay and Tony Show:  www.jayandtonyshow.com