Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into Lionel Messi's early years at Barcelona and his rise to stardom. They explore Messi's journey from his initial signing to the club in 2000 to the early recognition of his talent by notable figures like Ronaldinho. The episode highlights Messi's challenges, including his growth hormone treatment and cultural adjustments as a young Argentine in Spain. Key moments such as his interactions with future stars like Gerard Piqué, Cesc Fàbregas, as well as his significant contributions to Barcelona's youth and first teams, which are discussed in detail. This episode covers his early setbacks, first team debut, and eventual triumphs, culminating in his standout performance at the 2005 FIFA U20 World Cup. Join us as we uncover how Messi went from a promising youngster to an emerging superstar at Barcelona. 00:00 Introduction to the episode 00:40 Messi's Signing and Initial Challenges01:15 Settling in Barcelona: Cultural and Personal Struggles05:51 Integration and Early Successes20:40 Political Chaos and Youth Team Dynamics23:33 Messi's Rising Star and International Attention27:06 First Impressions and Early Training27:39 Debut and Initial Reactions29:37 Contract Negotiations and Adjustments32:48 National Team Dilemmas38:31 Integration into Barcelona's First Team46:27 Under-20 World Cup and Rising Stardom51:18 Conclusion and Looking Ahead Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part Four
In this episode of It Was What It Was, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper delve into the decline of Nottingham Forest following their European Cup victories. This final part of a four-part special looks at the financial turmoil, management struggles, and internal conflicts that marked the club's subsequent years. Join us as we discuss how the relationship between Brian Clough and Peter Taylor deteriorated, the club’s misjudged transfers, and the impact of Clough's growing dependence on alcohol. From the fallouts to the poignant departures, this episode covers the unraveling of a once-glorious team and the tragedy of a fractured partnership.00:00 Financial Woes and Disappointment00:50 The Decline Begins02:32 Unraveling Behind the Scenes04:18 Transfer Turmoil09:24 Clough and Taylor's Strained Relationship14:11 Financial Scandals and Internal Strife18:05 The Breaking Point29:03 Clough's Controversial Decisions32:24 Financial Struggles and Player Transfers37:18 Clough's Health and Alcohol Issues45:02 The Breakup with Peter Taylor48:20 Reflecting on Clough and Taylor's Legacy51:29 Clough's Changing Management Style53:43 The Greatest Achievement in European Football55:28 Conclusion Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part Three
In this episode of It Was What It Was, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue the story of Brian Clough’s Nottingham Forest, following on from their European Cup victory in the last episode. This third part of a four-part special covers the 1979-80 season, looking at how Forest overcame obstacles both on and off the pitch to claim their second successive European Cup. Within the season there are some highs and lows, from overcoming unexpected challenges, and navigating crucial European fixtures to dealing with internal instability and controversial management methods. From high-profile transfers to unforgettable European nights, tune in to discover how this extraordinary team went on to write another chapter in their illustrious history.00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene01:03 Nottingham Forest's European Campaign Begins01:28 Key Transfers and Management Decisions07:47 Unexpected Challenges and Controversies20:31 European Cup Quarter-Finals 28:52 The Importance of Team Camaraderie30:19 Challenges and Strategies in European Matches32:38 Player Management and Injuries36:23 Prepping for the European Cup Final42:49 The Final Match Against Hamburg51:03 Post-Match Reflections and Legacy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part Two
In this episode of It Was What It Was, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue their deep dive into Brian Clough's transformative tenure at Nottingham Forest. This second part of a four-part special, captures the thrilling journey as Forest ventures into the European Cup, starting from their incredible 5-1 victory over AEK Athens and leading up to their historic final against Malmö. Expect to hear detailed anecdotes and insights revealing Clough's unique management style, key matches and significant strategic decisions, including the controversial but ultimately successful signing of Trevor Francis for a British record fee. Join us to explore how a team from the second division ascended to the pinnacle of European football. 00:28 Introduction to Nottingham Forest's European Journey01:26 Forest's Rise to European Dominance01:46 The Quest for the European Cup03:36 Strategic Moves and Key Decisions10:02 Facing Liverpool in the European Cup12:42 The Tactical Genius of Clough and Taylor26:17 The Aftermath and Moving Forward26:38 Unbeaten Streak and Chairman Change27:35 European Cup Drama: Forest vs. AEK Athens28:19 Clough's Management Style and Larry Lloyd Incident30:55 Training Anecdotes and Managerial Hypocrisy37:39 Trevor Francis Joins Forest40:51 League Cup Final and European Cup Quarter-Finals42:25 Semi-Final Showdown Against Cologne48:37 European Cup Final Against Malmö55:27 Forest Crowned European Champions Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part One
Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper set the stage for Brian Clough’s remarkable journey to becoming manager of Nottingham Forest in this first part of a four-part-special. After his departure from Leeds, Clough takes on the challenge of revitalising a mid-table second division team into a team that dominates English and European football. Clough's reunion with assistant Peter Taylor plays a pivotal role as they sign key players like Peter Shilton and Kenny Burns. This episode looks at the early challenges faced, strategic player signings, and the pivotal moments that laid the groundwork for Nottingham Forest's incredible achievements. Join us as we set the stage for one of football's most astonishing success stories.01:09 The Rise and Fall of Brian Clough08:30 Clough's Early Struggles at Nottingham Forest21:03 Clough's Confrontational Style24:44 Building the Foundation for Success27:07 The Clough-Taylor Partnership27:39 Taylor's Reluctance and Reconciliation28:52 Building a Winning Team31:16 The Anglo-Scottish Cup Victory33:37 Promotion to the Top Flight34:43 Strengthening the Squad36:33 Clough's England Manager Candidacy42:11 A Defensive Strategy for Success46:46 Winning the League and Beyond52:15 Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
À propos de It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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