Cup Of Justice

Investigative journalists ⁠⁠Mandy Matney⁠⁠ and⁠ ⁠Liz Farrell⁠⁠ sit down with Matth Shaer, the journalist and co-founder of Campside Media behind some of the most compelling true crime podcasts of the past decade - Over My Dead Body, Suspect, and Origin Stories.

Matt opens up about the evolution of true crime podcasting, from his early days working with Wondery to building Campside Media, and the ethical tightrope walk of turning real tragedies into narrative entertainment. 

Matt brings a unique perspective on building audience trust while maintaining journalistic integrity. He shares why some stories deserve to be told, what makes a case podcast-worthy beyond just being shocking, and how storytelling can actually drive real criminal justice reform.

Plus, don’t forget Alex Murdaugh's Supreme Court appeal hearing happens this Wednesday at 9:30 AM ET - and we'll be watching live with Premium Members and re-broadcasting to YouTube.

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Episode References

Meet Matt Shaer and give Over My Dead Body, Suspect, Origin Stories a listen 🎧

“Matthew Shaer Still Believes in Podcasts” - Columbia Journalism Review, Sept 3, 2025 📰

“Legal Academic World Shaken by Shooting Death of FSU Professor” - The Wall Street Journal, July 21, 2014 📰

20/20’s "Meddler or Murderer?" episode - Jan 2, 2026 on Disney+/Hulu 🎞️

“'Pity and disgust': Woman deceived by Colorado dentist who poisoned his wife discusses trial, aftermath” - ABC News, Sept 19, 2025 📰

“The False Promise of DNA Testing” - The Atlantic, June 2016 📰

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Today we need to address alarming developments in press freedom as independent journalists, including Don Lemon, face federal charges for violating the FACE Act of 1994.

Then Liz reintroduces a case we covered on True Sunlight #134 involving Anijah Yarnell, who claimed self-defense after shooting Michael Pennington in 2020. However, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson unusually appealed the decision—contrasting sharply with Wilson's public opposition to charge others like Weldon Boyd and Bradley Williams.

Then we’re sharing an excerpt from Liz and Mandy’s recent appearance on Laura Richard’s Crime Analyst Podcast (Episode 303). Richards, Matney, and Farrell emphasize the critical role of independent journalism and sustained public pressure in preventing cases from being swept away. 

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Episode References

Crime Analyst Ep 303 On YouTube

Crime Analyst Ep. 303 Audio: Mica Francis: Analyzing the Federal Charges Against John Paul Miller with Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell

“Journalist Don Lemon charged with federal civil rights crimes after covering anti-ICE church protest” - AP News, Updated Jan 30, 2026 📰

“Horry County murder case ruled Stand Your Ground being appealed. What we know” - Myrtle Beach Sun News, Jan 13, 2026 📰

“Man charged in shooting outside Columbia Planned Parenthood files ‘stand your ground’ defense” - WIS10, Jan 29, 2026 📰

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In this episode, investigative journalists ⁠⁠Mandy Matney⁠⁠ and⁠ ⁠Liz Farrell⁠⁠ and attorney⁠ Eric Bland confront a troubling throughline connecting professional discipline, prosecutorial discretion, and the rapid erosion of constitutional norms.

Eric recounts a chilling professional reality: an SC Bar disciplinary investigation triggered by harsh—but truthful—excise of free speech, while far more serious attorney misconduct across South Carolina goes untouched.  From there, the discussion turns to newly filed deposition testimony, and the hosts break down how witness narratives can subtly “evolve” under pressure.

The final segment widens the lens to the streets of Minnesota, as the team grapples with the fatal shooting of American Nurse Alex Pretti and the alarming normalization of armed federal agents operating without transparency, judicial warrants, or visible identification.

At its core, this episode asks a sobering question: What happens when the systems designed to protect justice instead punish those who challenge abuse? The answer... is why journalism, courts, and public scrutiny matter now more than ever.

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Episode References

Lawyer & Judicial Discipline Overview from SC ODC ⚖️

Explainer: Immigration Removal Proceedings and Expanded Mandatory Detention in the U.S. - National Immigration Forum, July 28, 2025 📰

“In Battle for Evidence, Minnesota Sues Feds Over Fatal Border Patrol Shooting” - Wall Street Journal, Updated Jan 25, 2026 📰

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Maggie Freleng, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, joins ⁠⁠Mandy Matney⁠⁠ and⁠ ⁠Liz Farrell⁠⁠ to discuss her career trajectory, starting from her early days in journalism to her work on the pivotal "Suave" podcast. She shares insights on the Maura Murray case, which she investigated, and the impact of true crime podcasts on public perception and law enforcement.

In this compelling episode, Freleng—creator of the acclaimed "Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County" podcast—discusses her journey from aspiring travel blogger to leading voice in wrongful conviction journalism. We’re exploring the fascinating dichotomy between accountability journalism and innocence work, with Liz Farrell describing it as "two batteries facing different directions" pressuring the justice system to function properly.

Freleng, Matney, and Farrell use their platforms to shine light on cases lost in darkness—whether due to corruption, negligence, or systemic failures.Follow Maggie Freleng on Instagram and stream Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County now.☕ Cups Up! ⚖️Episode References

Meet Maggie Freleng, 2022 Pulitzer Prize Winner for the Suave Podcast

Give Maggie a follow on Instagram, TikTok, or Substack

Bone Valley Season 3

Timeline in Maura Murray’s Disappearance

Random Family by Adrian Nicole LeBlanc

Julie K Brown’s Newly Launched Substack

COJ Episode 123 with Darrell Burton

“Teacher’s Pet criticism from judges misplaced” - The Australian, Sept 1, 2022

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In this gripping episode, investigative journalists ⁠⁠Mandy Matney⁠⁠ and⁠ ⁠Liz Farrell⁠⁠ and attorney⁠ Eric Bland, confront a week that forces an uncomfortable but urgent question: what happens when power escalates faster than accountability?

First, Liz Farrell reports firsthand from the federal arraignment of JP Miller—an appearance marked not just by legal gravity, but by a visible public demand for accountability. What she witnessed was extraordinary: 52 U.S. Marshals on duty, federal prosecutors flooding the jury box, and bombshell revelations that paint JP as both a flight risk and danger to the community.

Then through dual lenses of investigative journalism and constitutional law, our hosts unpack a deadly ICE encounter in Minnesota, interrogating how rapidly escalating law enforcement tactics collide with due process, civil rights, and public trust.

This is not a partisan conversation. It’s a journalistic one. A legal one. And ultimately, a civic one.  Because justice doesn’t survive on authority alone... it survives with scrutiny and accountability.

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Episode References

Walk for Peace Facebook Page ☸️🕉️

History of Qualified Immunity - National Association of Attorneys General ⚖️

1983 Claim - Cornell Law School’s Legal Information Institute ⚖️

“Alpha News obtains new footage of ICE-involved shooting in Minneapolis” - Alpha News, Jan 9, 2026 📰

“Attorney General Ellison and cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul sue to halt ICE surge into Minnesota” - MN Attorney General’s Office, Jan 12, 2026 📰

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