*【聊了什么The What】** 这是一期和友台《珊越拾穗》的串台节目！ 一起聊天的三个女的分别是：林珊，小蓝，明雪 《重启人生》是一部让人会心一笑的日式人间轻喜剧，主角麻美在意外死亡之后发现自己可以重新回到婴儿时期活一遍，在经历了五次重生之后她逐渐意识到了自己活着的意义，最终回到家乡和童年挚友度过了平静又美好的余生。编剧笨蛋节奏用举重若轻的方式讨论生死的宏大命题，看似处处闲笔却能勾勒出一个真实立体的世界，让不同文化背景和年龄的观众产生强烈的情感共鸣。这一集里，我们讨论了日本的“地元系”、“空气系”、和“世界系”叙事，“宽松世代”心态和现实社会中的贫困问题。故事里的主角和朋友们有一种笃定和闲适的人生态度，而她所在的北熊谷也是一个乌托邦式的熟人社会，与孤独的当代原子社会背道而驰。如果说日式漫才里有负责吐槽的“直人”和负责执拗的“怪人”，这部剧的妙处在于它温柔地提醒了电视机前的我们对随时可能降临的死亡如何拒不接受，以及对“不平凡“的执念。 "Brush up Life" is a Japanese comedy about Kondo Asami, who discovers that she can go back to being a baby and relive her life after dying in an accident at 33. After experiencing five reincarnations, she gradually realizes the meaning of her rebirth and ultimately returns to her hometown to live out her days with her childhood friends. The screenwriter, BakaRhythm, uses a light touch to discuss the grand theme of life and death, outlining a world that allows us to feel such a strong emotional resonance with the characters despite being from different backgrounds. The protagonist in the story has a sense of certainty about who she is and a relaxed attitude toward conventional success. Her hometown is depicted as a utopian community opposite from our atomized society. The brilliance of this drama lies in its gentle reminder of the unreasonable way we refuse to accept that death could come at any moment in life, as well as our obsession with being extraordinary. 【时间轴 The When】 00:02:32 节奏缓慢的电视剧是件激进的事情 00:04:30 日本的炼狱系 00:05:35 《重启人生》没有去触碰重生剧的痛点 00:07:03 日本的世界系 00:08:35 日本的地元系：专注小地方，讨论“我们的地方” 00:09:20 回到故乡（小城市）与离开故乡（到大城市、出国）的对比 00:11:03 日本的空气系 00:13:00 思考日本现实社会中的贫困问题 00:15:10 对日本作为后稀缺（post-scarcity）社会的想象 00:15:44 日本的外来打工移民 00:16:35 日本的相对贫困问题 00:18:25 日本的泡沫经济与后稀缺社会有所联 00:19:55 躺平的人和内卷的人殊途同归 00:21:45 日本的宽松世代；横向连结与纵向连结 00:25:48 飞行员的设定 00:27:30 《重启人生》对死亡的思考 00:30:25 《重启人生》中的佛教轮回概念 00:31:20 《重启人生》代入感强烈 00:35:40 《重启人生》的漫才节奏；直人与怪人；重复 00:41:05 反对上价值 00:43:10 日常生活中的况味 00:48:10 人生的捷径与修行 00:49:50 日韩影音在全球流通的对比 00:54:05 大荧幕与小屏幕的对比 00:59:15 主演安藤樱 01:02:10 《重启人生》没有挑战社会主流价值 00:02:32 - It's a radical thing to produce a slowly-paced TV drama. 00:05:35 - "Brush up Life" did not touch on the pain points of rebirth dramas. 00:07:03 - Japan's "world" genre. 00:08:35 - Japan's "local" genre: Focusing on small places and discussing "our place." 00:09:20 - The comparison between returning to hometowns (small cities) and leaving hometowns (going to big cities or overseas). 00:11:03 - Japan's "atmosphere" genre. 00:13:00 - Reflecting on poverty issues in Japanese society. 00:15:10 - Imagining Japan as a post-scarcity society. 00:15:44 - Japan's foreign migrant workers. 00:16:35 - Japan's relative poverty issue. 00:18:25 - The connection between Japan's bubble economy and post-scarcity society. 00:19:55 - The different paths of "lying flat" and "involution." 00:21:45 - Japan's "loose" generation 00:27:30 - "Brush up Life" explores death. 00:30:25 - The Buddhist reincarnation concept in the show 00:35:40 - The comedic rhythm of "Brush up Life" 00:49:50 - The comparison of Japanese and Korean dramas in the global market 00:59:15 - Why we love Sakurai Ando. 01:02:10 - "Brush up Life" did not challenge mainstream social values. 【拓展链接 The Links】 《奇巧计程车》 《宽松世代又如何》影评 有日剧气质的美国导演Kelly Reichardt 新片《Showing Up 好戲登場》 为什么日本年轻人不愿意出国 东京贫困女子 高中生穷忙族 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email：[email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat： CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 在流行文化中，女性的身体似乎是可塑的：小红书告诉你只要自律加上运气，你想要什么样的身材都唾手可得。然而，人和食物的真实关系往往是拧巴而痛苦的。我们的狩猎采集者祖先为了生存，在十几万年中进化出了对糖分和脂肪的渴望；而在几十年中，现代食品工业让糖分和脂肪突然变的唾手可取，馋虫每一天都无数次试探我们意志力的边缘。近期的新药——也就是卡戴珊身材巨变的钥匙——Ozempic在美国引发了巨大的讨论。肥胖是意志力薄弱的体现吗？在身体依旧长期被商品化的世界里，我们该如何看待Ozempic“躺瘦”的诱惑？ In the realm of popular culture, the female body appears to be infinitely malleable: social media promises that with discipline and luck, any desired physique is within reach. But in reality, our relationship with food often twists into a painful knot. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors evolved an insatiable craving for sugar and fat; in mere decades, the modern food industry has made these indulgences effortlessly accessible, incessantly tempting our willpower at every turn. Recently, a new drug called Ozempic — the key to the Kardashian-esque metamorphosis from silicon-injected peaches to sinny Barbies — has ignited a fervent debate in America. Does obesity signify a weakness of will? In a world where the body remains commodified, how should we perceive the seductive allure of Ozempic's promise of effortless slimming? Is fat bias systemic and how do we fight against it? 【时间轴 The When】 02:46 Ozempic是什么，为什么他引发了如此多讨论？ 16:05 肥胖与医疗系统、社会阶层的复杂关系 45:17 我们为什么不喜欢《鲸》？ 02:46 What is Ozempic and why has it sparked so much debate? 16:05 The complex relationship between obesity, the healthcare system, and social class 45:17 Why don't we like "Whale"? 【拓展链接 The Links】 Will the Ozempic Era Change How We Think About Being Fat and Being Thin? Life After Food An Extreme Risk of Taking Ozempic: Malnutrition Does energy imbalance (calories in > out) cause obesity? Diet culture can hurt kids. This author advises parents to reclaim the word 'fat' 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email：[email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat： CyberPink2022

本期节目由UPKO赞助播出 【聊了什么The What】 A24最新大热剧集「怒呛人生」aka ”Beef“讲述的是两名陌生人在各自人生的低谷因一起路怒事件结下了梁子，在一系列逐渐升级的复仇之后犹如镜子般映照出彼此的最我毁灭。这部剧在中国互联网上大受好评，引发一系列对于东亚原生家庭中的”心理债务“以及男弱女强的婚姻关系的讨论。然而在北美，韩裔艺术家David Choe的性侵言论争议让这部口碑极佳的剧集蒙上一层阴影。 In this episode, we are talking about A24's latest hit show "Beef," how it serves up Asian American fury, discuss intergenerational trauma, power dynamic and class differences within a marriage, and the limitation of therapy. We also discuss the controversy over David Choe, who plays Issac in the show. 本节目有关于性的提及，请酌情收听。This episode is explicit in every way. Please listen with caution. ALSO, MAJOR SPOILER ALERT! 剧透警告！！ 【时间轴 The When】 0:00-9:22 广告时间：UPKO 11:30 对《怒呛人生》第一印象 15:04 Danny和他的韩裔移民父母对幸福的强烈不信任 17:52 Amy和老公George之间的复杂的婚姻关系 30:32 Amy和Danny是彼此最无法面对的镜像 39:38 剧名Beef：吃掉两人“过节”的牛肉 43:36 为什么《怒呛人生》在国内这么火？中国的观众为什么会被如此具体的美国加州亚裔生活经历触动？ 51:42 Cousin Issac的角色，韩裔美国人在洛杉矶的历史背景 58:21 Cousin Issac的选角背后的争议，种族歧视以及有害的男性气质 1:09:36 Jordan，脸谱化的白人女富豪 1:13:05 魔幻现实主义的元素：土地，浆果，乌鸦 1:17:28 请不要关掉音频哦此刻有彩蛋 0:00-9:22 Sponsored Ad for UPKO 11:30 First impressions of Beef 15:04 Danny and his family's pessimistic view on life 17:52 Amy and George's situationship 30:32 Amy and Danny are "divine twins" 39:38 The meaning behind the name beef 43:36 Why is Beef so popular in China 51:42 Cousin Issac and Korean American history in LA 58:21 The controversial casting of David Choe for Cousin Issac 1:09:36 Jordan, the token white woman 1:13:05 Magical realism elements: dirt, psychedelics, and crows 1:17:28 Don't leave just yet, we have an easter egg for you 【本集嘉宾 The Guests】 烤芬 播客”越烤越糊“主播 【拓展链接 The Links】 David Choe是谁？ 🎉【UPKO 听众专属福利】 点击这里跳转，或复制完整链接【19￥qlSBdmSJjPt￥ CZ0001】粉丝优惠，领取专属UPKO天猫旗舰店优惠券，下单直接满减 淘宝搜索【UPKO旗舰店】，私信客服，报暗号【疲惫娇娃】领券下单； 另外！考虑到我们有部分海外听众，海外用户购买可以到upko官网www.upkoofficialshop.com , 下单时使用code【cyberpink】获得20% OFF惊喜折扣。 重要提示！ 淘宝下单时记得一定要私信客服【疲惫娇娃】才能领券哦～ 部分苹果手机是最新系统的听友可能会遇到口令无法跳转的情况，选择第2种方式购买也可以的哦 【以下图为UPKO可爱的小熊礼盒】 祝大家五一劳动节愉快！ 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email：[email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat： CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 我们有很多的词汇描述离开中文世界、中文身份渐渐溶解进全世界的身份里的这种状态——在2023年这个词叫做润。然而烦恼并不会在润出来这个瞬间消失；对于表达者来说，离开母语世界常常意味着需要用新的语言表达自己。我该用什么语言表达？我表达的受众是谁？我该如何立足于离散者的身份，寻找到新的语言？ We have many words to describe this diasporic state of leaving the Chinese-language world and Chinese-language identity behind, gradually dissolving into the identity of a world citizen. In 2023, Chinese pop culture refers to this state as "run" -- running away from one's homeland, running back into the embrace of the mother tongue, constantly on the go and wondering where is home. Leaving home doesn't mean all your troubles cease to exist. For creators, leaving behind the world of one's mother tongue often means the need to find a new language to express themselves fully. What language should I use? Who's my audience, now that I myself am caught between worlds? How should I lean into this new identity of a displaced person who's now a part of the diaspora community, and find a new language? 【本集嘉宾 The Guests】 林东尼 Tony Lin, Twitter @tony_zy 张洁平 Jieping Zhang 【拓展链接 The Links】 在场奖学金 frontlinefellowship.io 【时间轴 The When】 02:00 自我介绍，对离散身份产生认同感的心路历程 13:50 了解离散身份的历史厚度以及对创作的影响 29:00 离散创作者面临什么样的挑战 38:00 我们该如何找到观众？离散群体创作的对象是谁？为什么诚实尤其重要？ 44:30 洁平的“在场奖学金”和托尼的清迈创作空间 01:05:00 对创作者的建议 02:00 Guests' self-introduction and their personal journey of identifying with the diaspora 13:50 Understanding the historical depth of diasporic identity and its influence on creative work 29:00 Challenges faced by diasporic creators 38:00 How do we find our audience? Who is the target audience for diasporic creative work? Why is authenticity particularly important? 44:30 Jieping's Frontline Fellowship and Tony's creative space in Chiang Mai 01:05:00 Advice for creators 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email：[email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat： CyberPink2022

【聊了什么The What】 我们最近对HBO制作的游戏改编电视剧《最后生还者》十分着迷，于是果断邀请我们的好朋友Sophia一起来深入探讨这个制作精良的节目。其中一个很大的主题就是，爱是否可以征服一切？在世界末日之下，是什么支撑着男女主角活下去？ 在此有大型剧透警告：我们将深入讨论剧情和比较有争议的大结局，所以如果还没有去看剧的请先看了再回来听，或者做好被剧透的准备来听我们的安利。 We are obsessed with the video game adaptation TV series by HBO, The Last of Us, and invited our old friend Sophia (screenwriter) to join us in diving into the details of this well-made show. Love is a major theme of the show -- but does it conquer all? Does it forgive all faults? Does the end justify the means? Tune in to find out. Major spoiler alert, we will be discussing several episodes and the ending as well, so this is your reminder to watch the show if you haven't, or be prepared to find out what (controversy) happens at the end. 【时间轴 The When】 1:42 游戏改编佳作《最后生还者》剧情简介，（全集）剧透警告 4:08 追剧初体验：游戏玩家与普通观众为何都喜欢 8:42 第三集：足以载入影史的暖心末日恋情，突破直男壁垒 17:41 第五集：Joel和Ellie的镜像人物：哥哥Henry和弟弟Sam，以及世界末日下对孩童的刻画 24:57 第七集：Ellie和Riley的懵懂初恋 29:18 第八集：Ellie的自我成长 34:08 第九集 / 大结局：爱是否可以征服一切？ 48:36 思想实验：该如何应对世界末日 54:15 表扬HBO对于游戏情节细节的致敬 57:17 咱们闷骚的爹（daddy变身father）：Pedro Pascal和他的一些趣闻 1:42 Plot summary of the game adaptation masterpiece "The Last of Us", major spoiler warning 4:08 Our initial thoughts: Why gamers and regular viewers alike all love it 8:42 Episode 3: A heartwarming doomsday love story, breaking through the straight male barrier 17:41 Episode 5: Joel and Ellie's mirrored characters: siblings Henry and Sam, and the portrayal of children in the post-apocalyptic world 24:57 Episode 7: Ellie and Riley's innocent first love 29:18 Episode 8: Ellie's self-growth as a character 34:08 Episode 9 / Grand Finale: Can love conquer all? 48:36 Thought experiment: How to approach the end of the world 54:15 Praising HBO's tribute to the game plot details 57:17 Our beloved "daddy" becomes a "father": Pedro Pascal and anecdotes 【买咖啡 Please Support Us】 如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡： 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm 商务合作邮箱：[email protected] 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022 If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following: Those Abroad：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm Those in China：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm Business Inquiries Email：[email protected] Business Inquiries WeChat： CyberPink2022